Allison, Take this !!!!
May 4, 2009
Allison,
Obviously, you are caught up in the rhetoric of a rock star president.
Your ignorance of the direction this country has gone under democratic president’s shows.
Moderate thinking president? What are you talking about? Mr. Obama needs to have a teleprompter where ever he goes so he knows what to say. If he answers questions, he fumbles them. All presidents start out with high approval ratings. Mr. Obama has been president for over 100 days. What has he done? (1) He has increased government spending. (2) He has sold out the manufacturing sector to other countries. (3 ) He is cutting back on the military so that he can fund social programs and cut the debt he and the democrats are racking up. (4) Moderate thinking? It took him 4 days to decide to take out the pirates that were holding the captain hostage. Out of frustration, the Navy Special Warfare Officer in charge made the call and we got the captain back. (5) When he was a senator he voted for the TARP legislation. No oversight and no responsibility for paying back the money. (6) Just for the record, the national debt is such that every man, women and child are looking at a debt of $184,000 each. Can you write a check for that amount?
Something for you to consider, if Mr. Obama is such a sharp business man, then, why he is a politician and not in business? It seems that he can tell companies that they need to improve, etc but doesn’t give them any substance.
Ignored the warnings? The U.S. had the opportunity to get Bin Laden when Clinton was president. He declined, because he did not want to irritate all those people that have made him a millionaire since leaving office. Also, No one ever thought that a 747 would be used as a weapon. No one can plan against that type of weapon.
The current economic downturn that we are in is because of the lending practices that the Clinton administration forced on the banking industry in 1999.
Obviously, you in that79%. Look around you, the country is burning down and is moving toward a more socialist rather than democratic government. From the tone of your posting, it seems that you have never served in the military or left the U.S. You have no comprehension on what is to protect the rights that you have to post on a website.
--by Retired Military on 5/4/09 Lives: Detroit area
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Yes,Yes, Poor Allison I'm afraid is caught up in the main stream media spin on President Obama. Can you say, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and the New York Times. ?
--by on 5/4/09 Lives: Detroit area
Well commenters, I'm glad that we are still a democracy and no longer have to fear telling things like we see them rather than how the former Unitary administration tried to put the fear of god in anyone who disagreed with the propaganda being shoveled out every day, especially from Cheney. I am finally feeling better that someone rational is in control. Believe as you want, and I will believe as I want.
God Bless America.
--by on 5/4/09 Lives: Detroit area
I love it! Look what the Democrat did! He voted for the TARP legislation while in the Senate! WHILE A REPUBLICAN WAS PRESIDENT AND PROPOSING THE TARP IN THE FIRST PLACE! Wake up! Okay, let the stone throwing begin. I have come to expect it from all you folks who only see one side of the story. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good diatribe.
--by on 5/4/09 Lives: Michigan
WOW !
Military is right on, Too bad the liberal or as they like to call themself today "progressive" media dont get the Obama scam.
--by on 5/4/09 Lives: USA
You guys are so funny. You think ALL the news stations are wrong in their reporting except (of course) Limbaugh and FOX News. What a joke. Obama has high approval ratings because the people like what he is trying to do. He has had more press conferences in his 1st 100 days then Bush had in an average year. Senators are defecting from the Republican ranks because they have no shot at getting elected unless they do so. The Democrats will have a full control of Congress soon because the American people are hannging on by their toenails from 8 years of Bush. I would advise everyone to just ignore petty, angry, jealous, ignorant people like "retired-military". They have FOX News on from the time they wake up until the time they go to bed. And when they do leave the house they put Rush on in their cars. They simply don't know any better....
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: Detroit area
Allison must be around 20: In 1897 Von Schulenburg said, "Anyone who, at 20, isn't a liberal has no heart! Anyone who, by 30, isn't a conservative has no brain!" Believe me I was pretty liberal when I was around 20 myself!
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: USA
Dr. Johnson,
I don't consider myself a liberal. I voted for Bush I and the first term of Bush II. Foolish me thinking that the kid would have the sense of his father.
Local Liberal, right on.
And to Retired Military. They didn't accept women in the military during Viet Nam. And I totally appreciate those who have fought for our country. I had friends that volunteered and never returned. Chill out.
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: Detroit area
Funny how liberal/progressives always think everybody is wrong but themselfs. Did you know that Hitler was a liberal and he was a socialist as was his party?
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: USA
Callum interesting comment. I check it out on web and found: Adolf Hitler (German pronunciation: [adɔlf hɪtlɐ], 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP), popularly known as the Nazi Party.
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: Michigan
Russ, I remember in school learning about the Nazi party. Never knew that they were socialist. Wonder how many of my Democratic party pals know this info ?
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: Detroit area
Good Afternoon,
Since I started this conversation/posting due to the short sideness of the liberals, I would like to respond to “When you are in the woods all you see are trees” and “Allison”.
When you are in the woods, all you see are trees. I am not petty, angry, jealous or ignorant. I have 2 college degrees (bachelors and masters) and I am on faculty at 2 area colleges. I had over 31 years in the military both active duty and reserve. I don’t watch Fox and I don’t listen to Limbaugh. I do know better. Look around the world and see what is going on. We are in worse shape with this president then when we had Jimmy Carter. Do you remember the hostages?
Before you even get to Clinton, remember that it was the Clinton administration that lowered the rules for banks to lend money. It took 10 years for the wheels to fall off.
Allison, a couple of pieces of history. (1) There were women in the military during all the wars. Especially in the Army and Navy Medical corps as nurses and doctors. You might want to check your liberal history books for that information. Specifically, the World War 2 Bataan death march when the nurses marched with the wounded soldiers and could not give aid to them. (2) Your sentiments about your “friends”? Keep it, you have no clue on what sacrifices are made by our military people here and around the world. You don’t comprehend what it takes to protect the freedoms and liberties that we all enjoy. Chill out? Not while the president apologies to our enemies, cant make decisions on saving American lives and puts my friends and fellow service people in harms way with out understanding the costs.
Retired Military
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: Detroit area
Allison does not know what she is talking about. WW2 women in army and navy, wacs and waves.
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: Dearborn
Talking with liberals is frustrating, because you can't just talk about facts. That will only get them all upset, and all they will get out of the experience is never to listen to people like you. Most liberals live in their heads, or in little fluffy white clouds floating right above their scalps and resist efforts to engage them in rational conversation.
Our media are perfect examples. They never learn. They never listen to any other points of view. They know they have nothing to learn. Intellectually they are stuck, stuck, stuck.
(That's why the media are finally going bankrupt, thank goodness. But for years they got away with an endless parade of flagrant nonsense. Some of them still do. It's embarrassing.)
Talking to liberals is very much like doing therapy. The first lesson any psychiatrist learns is that most clients don't listen. They only pretend to listen, and then they never follow any sensible advice. So talking doesn't do the trick. It never does. If talking helped, they wouldn't be there in the first place.
So what do you do?
You wait for life to happen.
And then slowly, a tiny little bit at a time, you gently point out the ways in which clients defeat themselves, over and over again.
Therapists don't change people. Life does -- sometimes, if we are lucky and very patient.
A good therapist can turn life into learning opportunities. But you have to be very, very patient and forbearing. And the client has to be pretty desperate to learn.
Talking to liberals is like that. As the Obamanistas run out their string of self-celebration, preening and prancing before the world's media, as they keep bumping into the harsh walls of reality, getting a bloody nose here, a black eye there, there will be life lessons galore. Every day will bring new lessons. Already, the Obees are acting like George W. Bush in Afghanistan and Iraq -- notice that? Their actions don't differ in any visible way from the most scapegoated administration in history; all they've changed is their talk.
Big deal.
On the economy they're hopeless. Already Midwestern Democrats have refused to commit political suicide with carbon Cap and Trade. So that is going nowhere.
As the economic downturn starts to bite, watch for the Obees to blame Republicans for not saving them from their folly. It is crucial for Republicans to remind the American people that they do not approve of Obama's egomaniacal fantasies. Hold fast, ride out the storm, and the people will come around when they feel their pain.
If the United States of America is very lucky, Obama -- who always acts like a bright grad student, always hopping up to prove how well he has learned his lessons -- Obama, as I say, may learn to avoid the biggest international traps and pitfalls.
If we are lucky.
If not, the United States will get Carterized again and again -- in Iran, with Russia, the Middle East and the UN. Those are all the places where Jimmy Carter got royal bloody noses. And then blamed the Republicans for his mistakes.
With Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians, Jimmy Carter twisted Israeli arms over and over again, and finally got a so-called peace agreement that never worked. He walked away with a Nobel Prize from the suckered Oslo Nobel Committee, but no real success on the ground. Guess who got the blame for those failures? When somebody is mentally stuck, they only have one story to tell, no matter how reality turns out. They just have to blame other people for their disasters -- the alternative is to blame themselves, and they are not capable of doing that.
With Russia, Brezhnev invaded Afghanistan after telling Jimmy he wouldn't, and with Iran, Jimmy Carter enabled the worst medieval throwback tyrant of modern times, Ayatollah Khomeini, to take over the fastest-modernizing country in the Middle East and drive it back to the Dark Ages. Iranians are immensely talented people. In the West they do extremely well, when their opportunities are not limited and their lives are not oppressed.
But in Iran itself the last three decades have been painful for no reason at all. The war between Iran and Saddam Hussein cost a million lives. Saddam would not have attacked Iran with the Shah in charge, because the United States would have backed the Shah. The Shah would not have sent teenage "martyrs" on motorcycles into minefields to open the way up for his assault troops. The Shah, even with all his flaws, was a great modernizer, and would have spared his people endless pain and suffering. Today Iran would be a model of Islamic modernism but for our hero Jimmy Carter. But now it threatens a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, one that can spread the plague to the whole world.
Carter didn't like the Shah, and allowed him to be overthrown out of sheer, liberal guilt for what the United States did to Iran's Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1954, twenty years before Carter came to power.
See how well liberal guilt works in the Hobbesian "world community"? The world is not a "community." It is a wilderness full of predators. Liberals are just like that woman in the Berlin zoo who decided to jump into the polar bear enclosure, and got chomped. Want to understand Vladimir Putin? Remember that polar bear.
What we are seeing today with Obama is a neurotic repetition compulsion. All the things that didn't work for Jimmy are being tried again by Barry O. They will end up not working again. Only a fool could be surprised.
Obama is a natural follow-up act for Carter. Right now he looks like Jimmy Carter, Jr., with even more self-righteous arrogance and even more towering folly -- which is quite an accomplishment. Oh, yes, and he's black, which delights the media, because our media airheads always confuse symbolism with substance. But being black is only skin-deep. It doesn't guarantee anything. You have to be a fool to believe otherwise.
Being our first black president won't save Obama from the consequences of his arrogance. Nor will it save the country. Sorry about that. Reality always gets the final vote.
We have never seen an administration that lived more in its heads and less on Planet Earth -- the real earth, that is, not the fantasy dream of Mother Gaia. We have never seen a more mentally stuck power-mad gaggle of innocents abroad. Their mistakes will mirror their arrogance.
The prancing and preening Obama crowd is a natural victim for all the con artists in the world -- and that's practically every real enemy of the United States and Western civilization.
That's the way it is. Get used to it, because any therapeutic intervention first requires them to bump into reality. Just listen for the loud bangs as they go bouncing off the walls.
We can predict the Obama administration will run into trouble, because they have set out plans that are self-contradictory and doomed to failure. We also know what will happen when they fail really big: They will blame the grown-ups. That's what such people do. It's how they keep their self-esteem in the face of repeated failures.
The question is not, "Will they blame the rest of us?" They are bound to.
Rather, the adult question is: How can we protect the United States and the civilized world, even with mentally stuck Keystone Cops in charge?
Take just one little example, a very minor blooper, but one that defines this administration: The PR disaster of flying an Air Force One backup plane right over the Statue of Liberty, with an F-16 on its tail. Those are serious planes, with serious purposes. They are not manufactured to make pretty pictures. But that's evidently what the White House thinks they are for. It's like a kid trying to drive his Dad's car because it looks so cool.
The fly-over freaked out New Yorkers, as all sensible people knew in advance. But the White House still did it. Bottom line: PR considerations and a power-hungry, mentally stuck White House overrode simple common sense.
Sounds just like therapy, right? We know the White House was advised not to do this. But good advice has no effect on people who just want to keep bashing their heads into brick walls.
This is not the only mad PR move of the Obamanites. PR is really important to them. That's how they think they won; and with too many voters, it was how they won. They are mostly PR. The styrofoam Greek columns were another one. Promising to stop the rising seas was another one. Michelle's $540.00 tennies at the charity affair for poor people is another one. The iPod for the Queen and the deep bow for the King of Saudi were two more.
In fact, the Obama team has constantly overreached on public relations stunts. They have a predilection for that. It's part of their predictable neurosis. And eventually, when people get the joke, they will run head-on into a brick wall of public laughter. They will never laugh at themselves, nor confess their arrogance and ignorance. They can only steam straight ahead, running right into that looming wall. Again.
And when they do, the rest of us have to be ready just to point out the obvious.
It's beginning already.
Don't expect quick results, just remember that reality always gets the last vote.
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: USA
"We are in worse shape with this president then when we had Jimmy Carter"? ITS BEEN 110 DAYS!! If I were you I would wait a few years and make your argument. Serouisly, you can't possibly be blaming anything on someone who has president for that long. He doesn't even know his way around the White House yet. Could it be, just maybe, that the person that was president for almost a decade prior had just a LITTLE something to do with ANYTHING? Oh! That's right! It is the president BEFORE and AFTER him who's fault it is. Your babbling nonsense is laughable to all who hears it. It is the same Right Wing garbage that claims it was Clintons fault for 9/11 even though Bush had been president for 9 months prior, and it is Obama's fault for the debt and financial mess even though he has been in office for 110 days. It is about as bad of an argument as your party's theory on the "trickle down economics". TRICKLE DOWN? You people want something to "trickle down" to you and you are happy? Get with it!!
--by on 5/5/09 Lives: Detroit area
Whats "Jimmy's" response to Bush lowest-ever-recorded approval ratings? Everything he says proves his own argument against himself. He thinks he knows it all and has it all figured out. ONLY the rightwing is comparing Obama to Carter, and ONLY on this site would you see Obama being compared to Hitler. Maybe that analogy should be used when talking about Bush. After all, he is the one who invaded and occupied countries. He has even openly admitted that Iraq had "nothing!" to do with 9/11. Nobody except FOX News has said, and now spread, that the Obama administration is pushing the country towards socialism. Yet the rightwing talks about it as fact. Lastly, it is a good thing we still go out and vote. And we see what we all voted for. We voted out the majority of Republicans and voted in the Democrats. Common sense prevails again.
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: Detroit area
Russ,
From one veteran to another, thanks for all that you do and the forum to have discussions. It is nice to have you back.
To Big Deal you were in the military; Yes, it is a big deal. Because if it weren’t for people like me, you would probably be speaking German or Russian and not enjoy the level of freedom that you have right now.
Your right, It has been 110 days. In the last 110 days, this president has apologized for all the things that the U.S. has done wrong. This is the beginning of the term and he cant make a decision without a teleprompter. As for not knowing his way around the White House, that is why he has the Secret Service.
Right Wing Garbage? There are documented accounts by Clinton staffers that he didn’t make the decision. As for Bush, may be he should have moved faster and done something about Bin Laden. His mistake.
Financial mess? The president voted for TARP with no oversight. The issue here is that AIG underwrites the Federal Employee retirement system. Of Course, they are going to save the financial companies. The only fault the president has on the financial crisis is that he inherited the mess that was started under the last Democratic president.
Is there a magic number of days when the president stops getting a free ride? He became president on January 20, 2009, that means he is in charge. He takes responsibility when he took his oath of office.
Allison: Not “Your bad”. You just don’t have enough life experience, knowledge or intelligence to carry on a normal conversation.
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: Detroit area
Hahaha - Every time I get concerned about Obama's policies I come to this site and make sure you all are freaking out. That always reassures me he is doing the right thing. Thanks for your help.
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: USA
Let's all return to this conversation 1 year from now and see where things stand. My bet, some of us will all be a little calmer after allowing time to get adjusted to a "different" kind of president (I don't want to be in your face why this guy scares so many of you). And maybe with God's help a little less hate. Shout out to Bush Gave Bush a Bad Name.
I love that some of you have to express yourselves with such long comments, there is a lot that needs to be absorbed about how we got to this place in America. But I can assure you, it took much longer than just this last election.
To Retired -- I am almost 60 years old. You seem to pick and choose my comments to respond to. I have had a lot of life experience.
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: Detroit area
NOT EX MILITARY,I GOT AN EDUCATION INSTEAD;
I dont know how educated you are. Ove rmy military career, I achieved a Bachelor's and Master's degrees. I am on faculty at two colleges in the area.
Never mind Fox News, look at what is happening both here and around the world. What do you not understand? This is the same way James Earl Carter responded when he was in his first 100 days.
Mr. Obama will continue to dismantle the manufacturing system, printing money to cover our debts and more inportantly he will have to cut the military, social security and Medicare to cover the deficit......Sounds just like the democrats are going to try their utopia idea again.
One more thing, You were able to get an education becuase of the freedoms that have been protected by people like me. Just remember, there is a cost for everything.
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: Detroit area
Ok, Here is my take on the pro Republican and pro Democrat comments on this site. The comments by ex military are much more cogent than Allison's'
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: Michigan
All I can say is I am 30 years old, and this president scares me so much I have trouble sleeping at night. Did I serve in the military? No I did not and I can not imagine the sacrifice those who have and their families have made for me so I can have a Country I love.
When did we go from a country that pulls itself up by its bootstraps to one that thinks the government should pay for our health care, our bad mortgage (that we PICKED), our child care, our groceries, where does the end lie? Obama has said (and I admit I am paraphrasing) that all people who have money obtained that money by immormal means and it is the governments job to pass it out to all!! What is that? What happened to AMERICA???
and before you start with me about education, i have two masters degrees and am currently over 50% through my PhD. The only thing that should surprise you about that is that after putting up with liberal teachers for 25 years I can still have a rational opinion.
If you want to be a socialist MOVE!! America is a democracy and God help us all when we loose that. I will not have children because I am so scared of what their future will be. WAKE UP!!
thank you retired military. I truly appreciate your sacrifice everyday!!
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: Dearborn
No more comments from me on this thread. Markets up today and everyone is talking more positive. May it continue that most banks pass stress test and TARP money is paid back as soon as possible as most of recipients claim. Since jobs are a lagging indicator, its obvious they won't be back as fast. Lot of economists more upbeat today. And the world goes on. It's not the doomsday, some of you want to see. I feel much better and will continue to be positive rather than bringing up everything but the kitchen sink to throw at this administration.
God Bless this country, may we prosper again (in peace someday.)
--by on 5/6/09 Lives: Detroit area
Obama is simply a George Soros stooge, he is told what to say and what to do.
How can someone who only was a senator for 100 days find the money and support to become president? Makes no sense unless someone with big money is behind him.
--by on 5/7/09 Lives: Michigan
Russ,here is one for you. Do you know.Do you George Soros, birth name ?
--by on 5/7/09 Lives: Dearborn
Smile, Yes I do know. George Soros birth name was George Schwartz, his name is also a palindrome spells same way foreward and backwards. He is not Greek, as many belive but is Hungarian.
--by on 5/7/09 Lives: Dearborn
I love a good liberal bashing. Makes me proud to be liberal. I love any argument that says Clinton messed all of this up and it is all his fault for the situation we are in right now. Yes, you are right Bush had eight years to fix it didn’t he? Let’s not forget that the facts show that government always increases no administration stops growing it’s the rate that it rises is the true measure. Does any conservative want to compare the amount of spending and growth rate between Clinton and Bush, or how about Reagan? I’ll wait on this response. By the way don’t forget to factor in inflation when figuring out Clinton and Reagan. Sometimes conservatives’ math gets a little fuzzy. I also love the Nazi comments. That’s a good one. So, I am assuming anyone who is against socialism does not use our public roads or our public schools. I would hate to think any of you are hypocrites.
--by on 5/18/09 Lives: USA