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February 4, 2008




Mr. and Mrs. Obama at an Arab community event in Chicago (Photo: Ali Abunimah)

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Russ, Here is an update on the Kenyan Election,

President Mwai Kibaki was declared the winner of the 27 December poll, but the results were rejected by the opposition and called into question by international observers.

More than 600 people have died in unrest since, and another quarter of a million have been driven from their homes.

In an interview last week with the BBC's HARDtalk programme, Ms Karua said the government had suspected that Mr Raila Odinga's ODM party was "planning mayhem if they lost".

But she said they had not expected "the magnitude [of the violence] and for it to be ethnic cleansing".

--by More BBC Reports on 2/4/08   Lives: Detroit area  

The liberal media is in full attack mode on Hillary. The rich white boys left wing liberal media is pushing for a victory for Obama.

--by Viewing on 2/4/08   Lives: Michigan  

Yes, the media is overwhelming liberal. But remember most American can see through the spin They also know that the media lies to the public by omission.

--by russ on 2/4/08   Lives: Dearborn  

Mr. Gibb,
I have notice that you show interest in B. Hussein Obama and wanted to share this information from The Miami Herald.
More than 80 attorneys who have been offering free-of-charge legal services to Guantánamo detainees issued a statement Monday supporting Democrat Barack Obama's presidential bid.
Lawyers signing the letter included East Coast law school professors, who have visited the U.S. Navy base to defend individual detainees, as well as corporate lawyers for Saudi, Kuwaiti, and Yemeni detainees.
For complete information see here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/397317.html

--by Charles Martel on 2/5/08   Lives: Dearborn  

I can only say that I would hate to be judged by my sibling.

--by Chief on 2/6/08   Lives: Detroit area  

Charles,

You bring that up as though it's a bad thing. If I mistake your motives in mentioning that, which I don't think I am, since you are calling him B. Hussein, then disregard this.

Why are you so anti-American? Why do you hate our values? Honestly, why are you such a coward you will throw away our ideals and live in fear? Detainees deserve representation. If they are guilty, I have no problem imprisoning them for the rest of their lives. I have no problem with keeping them at Guantanamo. If they are guilty, I have no problem with whatever punishment the courts decide. But they deserve habeus corpus and redress. No one is going to scare me into giving up what I believe in, and what this country believes in. I suggest you stop allowing yourself to be terrorized.

--by The Founding Fathers on 2/6/08   Lives: Dearborn  

Obama loses the Tuesday fight, but the liberal media is in full spin mode. He won more states,and his fund raising activities are way ahead of Clinton's. The big Spin. Therefore: Obama is winner and Hillary a loser. Liberal spin machine in action. The liberal media got it tail backwards.

--by russ on 2/6/08   Lives: Dearborn  

Barack Hussein Obama is the perfect liberal candidate - all talk, no substance.

--by Dan C on 2/7/08   Lives: USA  

Our founding fathers did not build protections into our Constitution for enemy spies and terrorists. Stop thinking the whole world is composed of American citizens who are due certain rights here. Even the Geneva Convention dealt with uniformed soldiers only - spies, or those hiding in civilian clothing, can be shot immediately upon capture - so those rules also don't apply to Guantanemo. It is a military prison holding terrorists, not an American jail holding American pickpockets. We are not giving up any American values by holding enemy terrorists where they cannot harm us. But as for living in fear, yes, I have fear in my heart. The enemies we are fighting are putting bombs on mentally-handicapped women and blowing the bombs up by remote control. They are training 6-year-old boys how to stop a car and kidnap people at the point of a gun. They have many agents in this country, plotting and waiting. Some of them are in Dearborn, publicly supporting terrorists. Are you telling me you AREN'T afraid of what these heartless enemies are plotting and doing?

--by They are not American on 2/7/08   Lives: Dearborn  

First off, our Constitution does afford protections for non-citizens. I suggest you actually pull it out and read it. I won't tell you where it makes a distinction, because I want you to read the whole thing looking for it.

On top of the fact it actually does give rights to non-citizens, let's look at it from a purely philosophical standpoint. My belief is our system of liberty, our notions of justice, etc. are some of the best in the world. I have no problem extending my beliefs of equal protection, due process, habeus corpus, to everyone. I'd love to see other countries give their citizens the rights we have. I don't pretend to be a hypocrite and say "only you people have rights, this other group does not." I value our court system. You apparently do not.

Correct, I am not afraid. I refuse to be terrorized. I don't avoid public transportation. I still fly. I still go to malls. I still support freedom of speech. I have faith in our police, our FBI, our intelligence agencies, and our military. I also understand the notion of security and tradeoffs. On whether or not a measure is worth what we give up, whether it be monetary, liberty, continence, etc. Don't get me wrong. I think we should absolutely go after them and lock them up. I absolutely support life in prison or death for anyone trying to harm this country. I just feel they should be entitled to redress. I don't want to kill innocent people.

Honestly, how can you live with fear in your heart? Why are you letting them win? Every day you live, you are giving them a victory. Look up the definition of terrorism. Their goal is to cause fear to exact a response. You are doing EXACTLY what they want.

For all the complaining about liberals, I suggest you look at your own hysteria and solve that before you try and take on something like politics. You can't be objective if you are afraid.



--by Not Afraid on 2/8/08   Lives: USA  

Not Afraid,

Perhaps you need to do some research yourself and get your facts straight before pontificating your inaccurate, misinforming history lesson.

Not only do the detainees not have US Constitutional rights as that is why they are detained outside of US territories, there is another law that should be looked at seriously.

Familiarize yourself with The Alien Enemies Act of July 6, 1798.

SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies.

This law is in effect to this very day as with 50 USC Sections 21-24.

There is not fear in this heart as you have asserted, however, there is common sense in this head.

--by Charles Martel on 2/8/08   Lives: Dearborn  

The Liberal media SPIN is still on for Obama. AP story heading tells us "Obama Leads Clinton by Only 2 Delegates" yet, when you read the full story you find that Clinton leads the total delegates count by 1,055 to Obama's 998. The millionaire, billionaire liberal masters of the liberal media are doing their thing. The media lies by omission and placement of information.

--by russ on 2/9/08   Lives: Dearborn  

Dear NOT AFRAID:

It is fear of being conquered that causes us to invest in armies and weapons as a country; fear of being robbed and assaulted that causes us to lock our homes and cars, look over our shoulders at night when walking down the street. Fear is not irrational when we know bad people are out there. It is not 'hysteria' to acknowledge that the enemy is real, and that we need - as a people, and individually - to stay alert and as proactive as we can. The brave person is one who has fear and carries on in spite of it.

Our American liberties need fierce guarding, and that is what you are expressing. However, I think you have a wrong angle on the whole question. To apply the laws of the courts to terrorist prisoners is not proper. These are not 'criminals' and are not suspected of committing 'criminal' acts. Our court system is good, but not the place for terrorists and enemies.

--by Common Sense on 2/9/08   Lives: Dearborn  

Charles,

You are playing semantics. The Constitution says within the jurisdiction of the United States. Gitmo falls within the jurisdiction of the US. Some like to play semantics and claim that because it's a leased base, it is not US soil. It's a bogus argument and completely subverts the spirit of the law.

And by the way, the current war on terror does not fit within the scope of the Alien and Sedation Act, which you quoted. Perhaps read what you quote. First, we are not in a formally declared war (although the Congress has given approval), therefore the first part of it does not apply. Second, no foreign government has attempted an invasion of the United States. Therefore, the 2nd requirement is not met.

Also, it only makes provisions for citizens of the foreign country to be detained. That means even if we have a formal declaration of war (or SCOTUS rules that an informal approval by Congress is enough), that we can only detain citizens of Iraq or Afghanistan. Other countries we are not allowed to unless they are included in the war declaration. [...all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being... ]

Furthermore, the Act does not remove Constitutional protections. The spirit of the act is that the President has the power to remove them from the US, not detain them indefinitely.

Also, you might want to be careful holding them on the grounds of the Alien Enemies Act, re: Ex parte Endo (which IIRC think can apply here).

--by NOT AFRAID on 2/9/08   Lives: USA  

Not Afraid,

Once again, you have not done your research in a scholarly fashion and are misinforming and misleading Mr. Gibbs’ readers.

Not at one time have I written about the “Alien and Sedation Act”, which had been deemed unconstitutional on two counts. Please read again, there are no semantics just law established by our elected officials that protect this great nation with what I write.

I have clearly stated ALIEN ENEMIES ACT that remains constitutional and our US government within the last 70 years has enacted said law.

Also of importance is that in 1918--Act Apr. 16, 1918, struck out provision restricting this section to males.

If Iraq were not declared war as voted by congress and merely subversion as your erroneous missive implies, sir or madam, whichever you may be, we would not be discussing this matter now would we as with the detainees.

Perhaps it would be of help in informing Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama and Mr. Paul to stop misleading the American voters that they will be the ones to end this war in Iraq, as they too seem to be as mislead with it being a declared war that they want ended.

--by Charles Martel on 2/10/08   Lives: Dearborn  

Russ, here is a few lines from an artical by Susan Estrich. Please read.

"What is going on?

If you paid attention to the gushers in the press and punditry in the days leading up to Super Tuesday, Hillary was on her way to the morgue, murdered by her crazy husband’s loose talk, abandoned by young voters and women and anti-war Democrats, and anyone else they could think of.

Not so.

Partly, it’s a measure of Hillary’s strength. But it’s also a sign of Obama’s weakness which, it seems, we who chatter for a living have been reluctant to speak about, lest we be tarred with having raised the “race card.”

--by Terell on 2/11/08   Lives: Detroit area  

Obama's top advisers are all white . Draw your own conclusions.

--by Boy Reader on 2/11/08   Lives: Michigan  

It looks like Barack Obama is giving all of you the middle finger. I don't think he gives a crap about any of you. HA HA!!

--by HA HA!! on 2/12/08   Lives: Dearborn  

"Obama's campaign has zigged and zagged, reacting to outside forces and internal differences between the predominantly white team of top advisers and the mostly black tier of aides below them."

--by press on 2/12/08   Lives: USA  

America is becoming the world's leader at electing people with a nice smile, an empty promise of 'change', and zero experience. That's spelled OBAMA

--by G H Brewster on 2/13/08   Lives: USA  

Obama's Socialist-Oriented Tax Bill

SURPRISE!

WASHINGTON, February 13, 2008 -- Accuracy in Media editor Cliff Kincaid disclosed today that a hugely expensive bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic Senator Barack Obama, was quickly passed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. Kincaid said that the major media's cover-up of the bill, which makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations, demonstrates the media's desire to see Senator Obama elected to the presidency.

In a column posted on the AIM web site, Kincaid noted that Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was trying to rush Obama's "Global Poverty Act" (S. 2433) through his committee without hearings. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends. It was scheduled for a Thursday vote but was moved up a day, to Wednesday, and rushed through by voice vote. Kincaid learned, however, that conservative Senators have now put a "hold" on the legislation, in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote.

The House version (H.R. 1302) was suddenly brought up on the House floor last September 25 and was passed by voice vote. House Republicans were caught off-guard, unaware that the pro-U.N. measure committed the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars. Kincaid's column notes that the official in charge of making nations comply with the U.N. Millennium Goals, which are prominently highlighted in the Obama bill, says a global tax will be necessary to force American taxpayers to provide the money.

--by schaef on 2/14/08   Lives: Dearborn  

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